3:56:15its still a largely negative transaction though pippa...
3:56:16my wife misses me (imaginary)
3:56:16Pippa, stop draining clio and shiina
3:56:16Pippa needs to watch Star Trek tbh
3:56:17That's a very warped definition of altruism
3:56:17in the sense that without a self u couldn't do it?!?! lol
3:56:17I get that one, but I feel like we are losing the point
3:56:17true selflessness in itself isn't even selfless, it shouldn't be in it's entirety
3:56:17aslo add complexity & non-linearity of said utility function. multiple levels and types of uncertainities, this whole thing become useless in any real work scenario
3:56:18Some people give their lives for their loved ones. are they getting something out of it? that's love
3:56:18If we break it down into the basest, most pedantic BS, then yeah, there's a transaction. But there is such thing as taking things too far.
3:56:18true and theres nothing wrong w that
3:56:18nothing is entirely selfless, and that is a healthy way to live to be honest
3:56:19either way works the way you talk about it
3:56:19okay y'all right . .she needs to meet Jesus
3:56:19"i don't take things to the logical extreme" Also pippa:
3:56:20so if someone is in danger you think about it forst?
3:56:20would she have done the same with poisonous spiders?
3:56:20Can you explain Jesus to us pippa
3:56:20Jesus sacrifice on the cross was entirely selfless
3:56:21there's no point in doing anything but we still do things
3:56:21You can see the gears turning
3:56:22i think pippa needs to read and understand the real definition, not her definition
3:56:23pippa is right and girls are coping
3:56:23Altruism is not entirely selfless, just like utility is not entirely objective.
3:56:24i went to a friends wedding and i knew i was gonna have a terrible time but i still did it because it meant alot to the bride that i was there
3:56:24i always find the altruism debate very boring
3:56:25you are pre-removing meaning from other people's help
3:56:25We need to redefine altruism